Own your own PaaS

Yes.

own thing that will do the auto build for you. Right? Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. And and we're we'll be going Deep on what some options here and maybe, some of the pain points that I hit or or just some interesting things.

But if you wanna host your own pass Without being out on your ass, you have to have Woah.

You have to have software monitoring to make sure that your software Wes functioning as expected.

And you know who does a really great job? Sanity. Century.io or century.ioforward/ syntax, actually, is the new URL for us.

Go ahead. Check it out. Yeah. Check it out. You can give them a try. This podcast is presented by Sanity. But let me tell you, if you have any sort of errors that need fixing Singing you're softer, and and let's face it. We all know you do. Yeah. Sentry is the perfect tool to help you fix those errors, especially if they're in production before your users have to send you an email saying, hey. The thing's broken. You already know it's broken. You wrote it, but you know it's broken because Sentry told you it's broken. So let's get into it here.

Let's let's talk about it. So What what are these things first and foremost? AaaS, as you mentioned, a platform as a service. You've probably used a lot of these.

Vercel, Render, Netlify, Heroku, DigitalOcean's app platform. There's a ton of these things. You know, you kinda get the vibe where you log in, you connect your GitHub, you tell it which repo you want it to go, you Potentially give it your build commands or where these things are located.

Bingo, bango.

The whole thing goes up onto the Internet With a a custom domain, then you get a free SSL.

You you you connect your DNS records to it. You have your environmental variables in your groups, And then you have a website online. You didn't have to do anything set up to do that. You didn't have to manage your NGINX server,

I did use a lot of hosting my own stuff via NGINX or even Apache. And for the most part, I just did what it told me to. They they weren't necessarily things I got too deep into.

But you don't have to deal with any of that stuff because I personally those those are the worst aspects of hosting my own code Wes dealing with that stuff. So along came you You know, I think Netlify was maybe one of the first ones that people tried where you connect and you just get up and running. That was, like, super duper easy.

Or or Heroku even before that. Heroku JS maybe a little bit less simple than Netlify. Netlify's super simple. And then you had companies like DigitalOcean, Render, and Vercel Coming in a little bit later to try to,

Yeah. And and so, Wes, it's funny. You touched on a lot of things I had in the why section in your in your, little rant there, and and we'll go back to some of that stuff. I really appreciate it could get that Sanity, though, because I I agree with you a 100%.

Before we get any further on the what side of things, I do wanna define Kubernetes here For the average listener, this is not for the Kubernetes professional. I don't need your Wes actuallys about this.

It's basically a control center for managing Containers of applications.

You've all used these services where you could hit plus on a a container to scale it horizontally or vertically, those types of things. You can Add more resources quickly. You can, add more containers. You can have multiple of them that are, you know, fault, tolerant. So if one goes down, you know, they're sent to the next one. This is Kubernetes.

Not not saying that every time you've used that, it's Kubernetes. But this is what Kubernetes does. It handles scaling, fixing, sharing resources, making your applications Node resilient.

Docker has a thing called, like, Docker Swarm maybe? Yeah. Yeah. It's I don't I don't I don't know the intricacies of why it's different. It's very similar, And it it functions in a similar space. In fact, when I was learning about, one of the services, Coolify, when they Weren't using Kubernetes. They suggested using Docker Swarm as an alternative. So I I would love for what we have a a guest coming on, David Flanagan coming on. Yeah. Yeah. He's gonna talk to us about Wes. Put that on the big old list of questions for David because,

multiple containers so it can It can scale them up and scale them down and do all that good stuff. We're Scott, again, we're not Kubernetes experts, but that's how I understand it. Yes. And and I think that's mostly what you need to know. And when we talk about Kubernetes as a concept in this episode, it's like, Hey. You know that interface that you've probably seen where you can scale up or down a interface? Like, that's that's it's not the interface itself, but that's Really what the concept of working in Kubernetes is.

So as you mentioned, it's really like death by a 1000 services here. Right? You know, I I host a lot of side projects. And one thing that you used to be able to do very frequently, Heroku used to get, like, 5 free Dinos, I think they called them.

Many of these services, Meteor, when it launched, had a free, like, hobby hosting plan. It used to be free to throw up a node server somewhere and not have great performance or anything, but just as a proof of concept.

But, obviously, just like a lot of things, crypto miners have ruined that experience for most of us. So we no longer have that many, places where we can just go quickly throw up side projects.

And many of you are left with maybe paying $7 a month or something for a node server for some side project that you don't even care about, you just want online.

And and and Scott me, like, you've mentioned, Like, yeah, you could toss these things on, you know, paper usage situations.

But sometimes you just want a server to dump a bunch of stuff on. You know?

Everybody gets it on there, and then they roll the rug out from under you. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And absolutely. I think that is a big concern here. And and I think one of the things you even mentioned about, like, WordPress hosting. Right? We all host WordPress sites in in maybe some of you want. Right? Maybe you're all working on application development, but I still host WordPress sites.

And if people ask me, where's the best place to host a WordPress site? I don't know. Like, Bluehost? I know you hate Bluehost. It's not Bluehost. Don't don't, Bluehost. No. I know. I said Bluehost because I knew I'd,

$100

for many years. Bank on it. Yes. I know. And and, honestly, I did host a lot of stuff on Bluehost, so it's not like I was just hucking it.

But Yeah. Me too. Either way, You know, like, you wanna host a WordPress site real quick for friends and Sanity. They Node something.

What are you gonna tell them to do? Pay pay $7 a month? Pay $14 a month? Or you can get a one click install with some of these services. And and so we'll be talking a little bit about some of these services in just a second here. So, maybe hold on hold on your horses just a little bit. But in in reality, your app shouldn't have to be bringing in money If you just wanna throw up a side project.

And and I think some of the people who might hear this, like, hosting your own stuff on your own Virtual private Vercel. But I I like all my my things, my, SSL certificate stuff. I like my, auto deploy on commits that I might pipeline.

Preview URLs and stuff like that. Well, check it out. A lot of these services do exactly that. Some of which do so in a very nice UI, some of which do so just on the command line, or some of them just through configuration files.

But you can get the Netlify experience for anything, Node apps, WordPress.

Like, think about it this way. You could have your own server. You could do a one click spin up in AppRite, a Pocketbase, a Redis, MySQL, all on your same server in just a couple of seconds and connect to a private privately under, like, one cost, which to me, If I'm working on a bunch of projects, that's super compelling.

Because why? Well, I might not wanna pay whatever the for service for a private service on render to host a Redis service for my side project, but I still want Redis, and I still want a cache for it. Well, now I can just add it to my already existing server under those same resources.

And I think that's, like, a A very compelling reason to potentially add some of this stuff because if you do want to add any of these little services, it adds up. And even if it's free to start, You have no idea if it's going to remain free once you start adding things like this.

Yeah. I I don't know. I I found it to be pretty compelling, And the thing I was scared about most was losing access to the the niceties I had from those Platform as a Vercel. But it it turns out that you can get all of that. And I will say off the jump, if you have any Platform as a service that are either open source, paid, or the type of thing that you could host yourself. I'm interested in hearing about more of these because I have a list of several of these.

Kubero, Coolify, Cap Rover, Goku, Piku, Kuber, and Acorn. A bunch of words there. Right? Oh, they all sound like Pokemon.

They do sound like Pokemon. Which of these sounds the most like Pokemon? Cap Rover or Probably Daku.

The Piku? Oh, Piku. That's like a Star Wars thing. Piku? Yeah. Obviously, Piku Cuber sounds like a Mario.

Cuber does sound like a Pokemon though too, And so does Cubero. Honestly, all of these could really pass through Pokemon. Cubero sounds like the

Wes, here is a game for our, live show, Pokemon or Wes service?

If you would like to play Pokemon or web service, it could be a continuation of one of our fan favorites JS a, Well, is it what do we say? It's like a NPM package or, a thing or both? Yeah. NPM package or

Yeah. That was that was a really funny one we did. We should do that one again. One of my favorite segments because writing it is just as fun as experiencing it with the audience.

Okay. So let's get into these players. There there's a huge amount of variability in this world. Some of these contain UIs. Some of them contain, Wes CLI. Some of them have paid add ons.

these on a VPS somewhere. I've I've been seeing a lot of people talk about installing some of these on Yarn. Seems to be like a big topic.

Some people are even offering hosting on a Mac, specifically. I think it's, like, using Mac Minis or something, but

Yeah. And and I think that's why people are going with with Yarn. What's interesting is that, like, Hetzner kinda seems to be the The cheapest to best option there, but I found them to be kind of awful to work on. And and, you know, a lot of people really like them. So I'm not I'm not talking trash about Hetzner, but as a American, like, literally asked for blood of my firstborn child to get signed up with a a cloud account there. So and I don't mean literally literally.

I know that's a a trigger for some people.

So you can host these things in a variety of places, of which can be very cheap. You can host them on a DigitalOcean droplet and get going in no time. Now I'm still a little bitter about the CSS tricks thing, so I might be looking at other places to host. But a, a shared Yarn 64 based CPU starts at £4 a month.

4 or no. Those are euros. Sorry. That's the euro symbol. It starts at €4 a month. American.

Yes. I know. For the for 2 CPUs, Four gigs of RAM, 40 gigs of disk space, and 20 terabytes of bandwidth.

So that's really reasonable for an Yarn server.

And so, again, you could It doesn't cost an arm and a leg. It doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Does it cost 64 arms?

That's good. That's good. I like your arm and I like joke. Okay. Cubero. Let's talk let's talk about Cubero. Based on the name you might be guessing, this one has something to do with Kubernetes, and it absolutely does.

Kubero is basically a Self hosted Heroku alternative.

It uses material design from 1998.

I know that didn't exist then, but it uses the old school material design aesthetic. And it honestly, I I I I've I'm trying to be nice to a lot of these. They're open source software. But, unfortunately, this one, like, does a lot of cool things and would be very nice, But it does look like it was clearly designed by engineers. So if you're the type of person who requires a, fancy UI or a UI that is, You know, doing a lot for you?

I like I liked material when it came out, and that was, like, 10 years ago or something at this point. That's wild.

It came out a long time ago. And so I think that's really just it, is it just looks old, and that's fine. But this this thing is really easy. There's, like, really quick add ons to get going with just about anything you want, and that's kind of the thing you're gonna see from a lot of this stuff. Like, if you wanna spin up a RabbitMQ or a Redis or a MongoDB, it's, like, really super easy to be so efficient. Databases in there too. Bro, you can throw anything in here, and most of these have, like, Node click services to do so, which is fantastic.

So Kubero is certainly an option. I don't think you need to get too deep into Kubernetes. It's it's basically you're just using a either a Curl command to install it. You're you're logging in. You're getting going.

This one is Kubernetes based. Again, I I don't think you need to know Kubernetes to use this.

Coolify is the one that I've been seeing suggested the most and is the one that I've used the most out of all of these.

Coolify Scott I o, In my experience, has the best UI of any of these.

What you'll see is a lot of the really high powered ones or the really Interesting ones are all either CLI or configuration based. But if you're like me, I like logging ESLint my Vercel dashboard and seeing in The red and green, indicators if something's failed to deploy. I like clicking on that and looking at the logs there. I don't wanna do command line for everything.

And so that's really where I think Coolify shines is that the, UI, even though the CSS is in flux, the creator has mentioned that it's It's in flux right now. It still looks really good compared to most things out there. It feels modern. And for the most part, it feels like using a Vercel type of situation Wes, again, it's not like a serverless platform. But when you you connect your GitHub I have my GitHub connected.

I then get to see all of my repos. I select the repo I want. I tell them my build command. I click go, and it has the exact same style of Tabs interfaces. Alright. You got your e and v variables right there. You got your build logs. You have automatic deployment on push. You have SSL Node domains without having to do anything to set it up with. It, like, automatically gives you the SSL just like any of these things. And most of these platforms will. Let me be clear about that.

But you do get that experience that you might be more used to with this. And I think the the thing that I really like the most about it is that I was able to get up and running on a COOLIFY instance in, like, 15 minutes or less. So I I spun up a droplet on DigitalOcean.

I ran I, right, SSH ESLint.

I ran a curl command.

I logged in. I created my account, Connected my GitHub. Deployed my site. Really Oh. You you take out half those steps, and it's the same as any other platform as a service. Right?

Yeah. Like So I think there's it's it would be like you're using render versus hosting render yourself.

I don't know.

I I I have since moved that off of the, domain. Let me even check that because I I've assigned that an actual domain now. Me even check what that domain was. It's probably doing some, like,

Firewall. There's a firewall in the way. Yeah. Firewall. We haven't heard that term in a long time.

Yeah. I, you know, I I don't know where it's getting the domain. I just clicked it to generate a Generated domain, which I probably shouldn't have done because I think it automatically saved that generated one.

And, What's interesting about it is it's it's like some weird generated string, then my I dot my IP address dot s Wes l I p Scott I o. So who knows what's going on there? But, you know, once I I just copied and pasted my actual domain in there. I pointed my Cloudflare to it based on the DNS instructions I was given, and it just worked. So, You know, I didn't have, I don't know. I had no issues getting up and running with my domain on it or even just giving you that quick little domain, which connected again straight To to my box here. So, yeah, I found Coolify to be really, really nice. And and to give you, like, just a generalized idea, Man, if I wanna spin up a WordPress site, for instance, I come into my Coolify.

I select the project I want.

I click new resource, and then it gives me a big old list of resources to install.

Do you want to install, MB on here? Do you want to install a Ghost blog? Do you want to install MySQL. Just click it. It deploys it, gives you a URL for it, and you can connect to it privately.

Man, that's great. I gotta say, it's it's super good. Nice. And one of the cooler things about COOLIFY too is that, yeah, you can do, like, a Docker Warp with it so you can get that That, you know, more more secure or or So it's not just like it's not just a toy

Yes. You could host your whole infrastructure on this, and you can specify which server you want any of your services to run on. So even if you have COOLIFY running on droplet a, you could spin up a droplet b And without even doing anything other than connecting the 2, within COOLIFY, you could say, hey. Deploy this app to droplet b And run it on droplet b. So that way, it is always going to be in its own droplet, in its own server that you could manage its resources separately. So I I think it the the UI for this stuff is really nice, and it ends up being really a good experience. A much better experience than I was expecting from Free open source software that is, you know, doing so much. This JS, like, a a really cool project.

Next Node is CapRover.

CapRover, This one seems really nice.

I don't have much to say on it because I haven't tried it, but it does seem, Obviously, the UI, if you click on it, it's a little less little less pretty, but that doesn't, you know, that doesn't disqualify anything. It it does all the stuff you wanted to do. Gets you going with a, SSL for for free and easy, gives you Docker Swarm, gives you a g a a GUI, lets you do one click to install a bunch of stuff. And it is it's basically saying, hey, man. We know this stuff can get expensive, so we're gonna make it really easy for you to host your stuff. I found Caprover to be fine. It's not the one I used From my my experience, but based on their docs, it seems like a decent option.

Doku JS one that I saw when people were talking about Coolify or any of these. There's all do DOKU was the webstorm of these Wes there's always 1 person being like, you gotta use DOKU.

You know? Who's the 1?

n I x packs. Yes.

Yes. And so a Nixpack, you know, that that's kind of what it does. And you can use Nixpacks with most of these or Whatever the Docker config for these JS.

I'm a GUI kinda guy.

So for me, I'm like, I'm typing in my my text boxes and hitting save. I know that Is it going to, you know, not be the way that many of you like to work in, like, your packs and stuff like that? And that's cool. Very useful.

It might be something I eventually get into here. Who knows? I'm going down a a slippery slope of hosting my own stuff. Next thing you know, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be actually knowing what to do with Kubernetes.

So, DOKU is a CLI based. If you would like a UI for your docu instance, I guess you would call it, for your docu, You have to pay $849 for a license. So if you like a a UI, Docu's probably not for you. But if you're the type of person who likes to do things through a CLI, it it is very Heroku like in that sort of way. I think it's a good option.

It it's it seems like it's very well liked. The people who who like it seem to, like it. I do. Like I said, I'd like to see those UIs and things, but it does seem to make it really easy to not just do the general stuff that you wanna do, but, to do some fancy stuff as well. So, You know, give dokoo a try. I think it's Wes liked.

LeDoku.

Yeah. Maybe.

Especially if the point of doing this is save money. That's Exactly. I think if you're the type of person who is getting deeper into this stuff and wants the most out of it, Docu seems like a great option. It does support Yarn 64, and the reason why I'm saying that is because Piku is the next one. And Piku was inspired by Dohu as a means of supporting Yarn Sanity four to run specifically on a Raspberry Pi cluster.

So this one seems like it might be a little bit more Hobbyist project type of situation. You wanna throw something up onto your local Raspberry Pi or perhaps a Pi cluster.

Seems like PIKU is designed for that and is Docu like. Again, I haven't used it. It JS CLI based. There is no UI for it.

Kuber or Kuber, Kuber Scott cloud or Kuber dot cloud. I guess it could be Kuber, but it's with a c. Kuber Scott cloud.

Deploy your apps on Kubernetes easily. It has no UI JS far as I could tell, config based.

You might not need to know Kubernetes. I have JS a note, but it feels like you might.

And I say this because I have not tried KuberCloud.

I, You know, I I I didn't wanna get too deep into Kubernetes. I wanted to know what it was. I wanted to get my stealth up and running, and I didn't wanna turn this into a, Oh, boy. We're gonna have to, like, really get deep into the weeds. But KuberCloud does look kind of nice.

That said, the configuration does scare me a little bit. It does seem like the feature set for this thing is really good. And last but not least is Acorn. Acorn has a Pretty website, but it's, CLI based. There is no UI for it again, and their docs show you getting up and running with Python. Node you know, it It doesn't feel like the option that most people who are, like, just looking for a Netlify alternative wanna pick. So some of these, whether it is Kuber, Acorn, Node, Kubero.

Some of these feel like they might be for the more intense use case Rather than Coolify, which seems like, oh, hey. I wanna just get what I had going with, render.com going on my own DigitalOcean droplet.

So if that's the type of person you are, which matches the type of person And you'll probably just say, hey. Coolify works for me. It's easy to get going, easy to install, works everywhere, and, is is pretty effortless.

Wes, we should have the creator of Coolify on here to talk Yeah. A little bit. He's been,

Yeah. I know. And and if you're out there, You know, you are an expert in this type of thing or you have more questions, reach out to us. By by all accounts, I'm a hobbyist who just started Experimenting with this stuff, and Wes has not used it. So this is what I have found.

If you have contradictory information or have found better or different things, Hit us up anywhere. We're we're happy to to have that discussion. In fact, we're gonna be having David Flanagan on who does a lot of Kubernetes. I mean, that's, like, his thing.

And if you have any questions about this stuff, by all means, let us know, and we'll try to Get those in front of David, somebody who's actually an expert in this area that we can really ask all the questions to.

So, again, the challenges here with hosting your own pass platform as a service.

Getting things like high availability, you know, that you could get just by hucking some cash At a a render server or something? These things do require Kubernetes knowledge or one of these more intense Services or getting into Docker Swarm. I don't even know what the higher availability picture is for Dockerstorm or Swarm. I I have no idea. I have not looked into it.

So it's not as just as easy as logging in and clicking a button oftentimes.

You might have to learn a little bit about Docker and Kubernetes.

That is a concern. I have not had to get there yet, but I can see Getting my foot in the door into this space JS being like, yeah. You might potentially have to learn some of this stuff, at least to a little bit.

You have to keep your server up to date still. You know? I don't know. Things have exploits. Linux has exploits or whatever comes up. Whatever you're running your you you still gotta keep this stuff up to date. Yeah. Remember Remember heartbeat? Yes. When was that? 5, 6 years ago, heartbeat came out. And at the time, a lot of people were still managing their own Nginx,

definitely scary.

And another thing is, like, if you wanna run things on the edge, this is not for you. You know? This is tossing up side projects. This is potentially hosting your own cache servers or stuff like that. Edge of your bed. More like it.

Yeah. I don't I don't get that what you're trying to say there. Okay. Oh, like,

Yes. Do not close this laptop. It runs the entire company.

On GitHub Pages.

And that's a good lesson. You don't Yeah. Always Node the serverless function or whatever that people are talking about as being the thing you need. Sometime, you just straight up need a node server, and that's good enough. Let me tell you, the the the app that I have running on my COOLIFY server loads in Fifty milliseconds.

And, that's pretty dang fast. Okay? So, you know, people talk about you need this, you need that. Hey. You you don't Always need this, and that sometimes you just need what works. Right? So, my final thoughts, I tried Coolify. I liked it. It was easy to get up and running. I'm going to continue to host stuff there. I may move it off of DigitalOcean because I'm a salty

we need to deploy it somewhere. So maybe this type of thing is gonna become more popular. And you know what? Some of these, services out there that offer Yarn servers so, like, one of them is Scaleway.

Scaleway specifically advertises it itself as, Scott AI models.

So it's basically, like, saying, hey. Our servers are good for running AI in the cloud, And they they have Yarn 64 servers. Now one thing that I've noticed is that most of these are based in Europe. And what I haven't found JS I haven't found a good solution in the Yarn space that hosts Or has, US based servers. Hetzner has it.

What I what was the one I just said? The, Scaleways.

Scaleways. Another one I've been suggested is RackNerd, although I haven't looked at them at all.

So I have no idea. A lot of these places do offer servers in the US but not Yarn servers. I wonder why that is.

with preconfigured e c 2. Yeah. E c so it is e c 2. Okay. Let's see. I mean, let me confirm here. Con preconfigured

every single company out of business that is existing in this space that just sits on top of

I will say, though, it's not without its problems. I mean, we had situations be we've had situations because Running serverless, obviously.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. In in running on Vercel specifically, that you wouldn't happen if you were just running a node server. And it's like, well, do we actually need to be running serverless? Is that really solving the problems for us if, one, we're still paying Out the butt for it, and it's you know? I mean, because it's not like for sale's cheap.

I'm just here so I don't get fired dotjs.

I, I I let me tell you something actually really interesting too before we we move off of this This topic Wes.

I, like many other people, have been working in BUN or alternative run times. And you get to the situation where you're like, Does Netlify support Bun? Does render support Bun? You're at you're at you're beholden to the hosting platform if they support these types of things.

Let me tell you. Here's how I got bun working on COOLIFY.

I got BUN. It's working on COOLIFY.

And, let me just tell you, all I had to do was to say BUN install whatever, and COOLIFY picked it up and automatically installed BUN on the system for me. So I didn't have to install BUN. I didn't have to tell it Tolinski Bun. It installed Bun. So, yeah, I got I got Bun running

got Buns, hon, perfect last.

No notes.

Yeah. And you might be out there hosting 15 WordPress sites for clients At x amount of bucks a pop when you could be using a service like this to do it much easier for you. So, I mean, It's it there's definitely a lot of situations where I I think developers get into this mode where, hey. I'm building this, so everybody must be building this. When in reality, we're all working on different kinds of stuff Node different different types of projects. And I think it's important to realize, hey. If if it's not Viable for you. That's okay. I just had the same discussion on on Twitter. In fact, I had to stop talking on Twitter because people are are wild about HTMX.

We're like, I don't know. There's so many people that get so insecure about other tools. Like, bro, you don't have to use it. Nobody's telling you to use it. I'm just exploring this thing or talking about these ideas. It doesn't mean that all of a sudden these I don't know. I I asked what types of interactive things are you doing, And people had the wildest replies.

They'd be like, I need time travel debugging. Alright. What do you need that for? Oh, well, I need it. Actually Wes really handy. Yeah. I know it isn't. I know it's really handy, but it's only really handy when you're dealing with a lot of data, or perhaps you're building something that needs actual undo functionality. Node will undo functionality.

Yeah. I know. And I think if if we had doctor, Tolinski on the show, I think she would diagnose it as just being insecure. Right? These people see something they don't know that much about. They're gonna lash out about it because, they don't they don't know why other people need it because they don't need it.

Yeah. Yeah. You gotta stay open minded.

I I posted a link to a a hacker news that was posted 19 days ago, which is oddly enough, and says ditching pass, why I went back to self hosting. Now I found this not only did I find the blog to be interesting, but I found that I linked to the comment section specifically.

There's a lot of discussion around cost to actual cost, what people are using and what they aren't. It's full of typical hacker news nonsense where People Yarn, again, arguing about the things, but I did find the whole thing to be just an interesting read if this is something you have interest in. And, again, we're gonna have David Flanagan on the show who's an expert in in Kubernetes stuff. So if you have any questions about deeper things here. Let us know. We will pass them along to David because I'm sure we're very curious too. We're gonna pick his brain.

So That's it for this episode. Let's get into sick picks and, shameless plugs. Wes, do you have any sick picks?

You bet. Yes. K. Node sec.

Yeah. Absolutely.

He's occasionally, like, kinda delinquent in commercials.

And you know what, Wes? There you know, I'm I've already opened the browser and started searching for them.

So, yeah, I care. And I Yeah. Not only do I care. I'm gonna order some, and I definitely see the utility. I've always wondered to myself with chip clips, What are these doing besides making this stuff not fall out of the bag when you pick it up? Like, they're not keeping it fresh just by folding over the bag or, You know, my there's Scott any better than just crinkling it up and rolling it up, but just man, what a what a nice little thing there you Scott. Yeah. Big fan of this. Well, I don't, you know, I don't necessarily have anything super interesting, but, you know, I will sick pick Something that I I have all over my house now that I've been I probably sick picked this at least once before, and sometimes we do repeat sick picks. But I have been slowly but surely changing all of my light switches to be The Caseta.

I have the the Diva, which is the one with the dimmer, and then the Claro, which is just the normal smart switch, or there's the accessory switch. I've been putting these things All over my house, slowly but surely, because they Yarn expensive. So I'll buy 1 or 2 at a time, install it. I still have maybe I still probably have a third of the house to do still, but I love these smart switches Opposed to, like, I've used smart bulbs in the past, whatever.

But I have my home assistant. I have routine setup. My wife hates it because it Shuts off the lights at the kitchen table at 8 o'clock when she's sitting at the kitchen table sometimes.

But I gotta say, having the dimmer everywhere, having these smart routines, it it doesn't get any better, and the software is fast. It's efficient.

The biggest downside with any of these Casetas, anything, is is the price. So, again, slowly but surely, or if you're doing a whole bunch at once and you have the Cash to spend on it. I have found, as far as all smart light switches go, the Casitas really do seem to be the best.

So, yeah, don't get the wise ones. Sick. Well, shameless plugs. I'm gonna shamelessly plug the syntax YouTube. We're posting We're posting quite frequently, and we're gonna continue to post there. I'm gonna be putting out later today. It'll be very live by the time you hear this. A video on what it's like to code with the VisionPRO on. So if you're interested in in VR encoding, I have been using it daily. I Did not want to take it off last night, while Wes or yesterday. All day at work, I was coding with it on except for when, Randy and I had our meeting, I took it off for that.

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